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From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Fw: snow
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:45

It has seemed odd that most of the snow , for much of the time, seemed to have been around the edges of the country. I suspect a meteorological reason , maybe connected with sea temperature which I understand (Atlantic) to be above the seasonal norm.

Whatever , as my Grandchildren t seem to say as often as stage Italians say Ciao, have a good Christmas up there I the non-frozen northern wilds of Cheshire and ( I hope ! ) Aberdeen.

From: Gordon Walker
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Fw: snow
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:55

From: tony garthwaite
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Fw: snow and cold and Thailand!
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:15

Today, ......in the East of the UK............ the temperature is 11 degrees (Celsius) warmer than yesterday (at +1C) and my windscreen wash fluid has appeared when required for the first time in about 5 days. (50 % dilution is obviously too much, I m toping up the bottle with concentrate!).

Where else but the UK can we see daily fluctuations in temperature of more than 10 degrees taken at the same time each day? My students from equatorial climes could never get used to these variations on a day-to-day basis. When I visited them in, say, Indonesia, the temperature range was about 2 degrees over any 24 hour period.

Still white here, good shots of our garden Robins against the powdery white stuff!

From: Tony Watkinson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Some Pix from Thailand!
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:25

Here are some pix of unusual Dendrobiums that were seen at the Rose
Garden Orchid Show this month. I can't help you with many of the names
as most of these either did not have names, in that they had not been
registered, or the names were in Thai, which I do not understand. Most
of these are mutations of some kind.

2494 is one of the rather attractive splash petal Dens. Small flowers
but so desirable. I have a few of these from previous visits to
Thailand.

2385 looks more like a Cattleya than a Den. I suspect that it has been
bred from Den Anucha Flare, and quite an improvement in flower shape.

2515 & 2514 are variations on a theme. One the reverse of the other.
This is the first time I have seen splash petals on a yellow/red flower.

2422 shows a group of Dend is a mass display on a tree. Note the huge
piece of shadecloth running through the trees. The show is held in the
open beneath this.

2483 is Den Black Spider x Den lasianthera. So says the label in
English. The first time I have seen the spidery type with splash petals.

This is the second year that we have been to this show and we noted that
there were not as many large specimen orchids this time, but still an
excellent show non the less.

More pix later after I have taken my better half to get her new hearing
aids. Perhaps she will stop shouting at me then.

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Oz Tony's photos.
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:00

To be honest, I do not like the 'splash' type Dendrobiums at all. I think that it has taken the natural beauty away from them.

From: Sheila Bicknell
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Fw: snow and cold and Thailand! /Cymbidium Spikes
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:35

Tony a few days ago, in relation to the snow and cold weather here
in UK, you wrote:

I am just trying to follow your reasoning here, Have you lost
spikes/flowers due to extreme cooling or loss of heating?

In my experience cymbidium flower spikes usually show themselves in
the autumn, and are quite well advanced or even open by now, if they
bloom or not this season is more governed by their growing conditions
during the past spring and summer, rather than what s happening now.
I have a few spikes in bloom and more coming. I have managed to keep
the temperature in the greenhouse at a minimum of 8C (mega numbers
on the electric meter). I will try and take a few photos to post at
some point soon, but the light is not good today.

From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Some Pix from Thailand!
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:55

Very interesting indeed Tony do you happen to know who showed them ? i.e. which nursery ? Or maybe several different.

I had some bumf about the WOC in Singapore Nov 2011 today, from WOC admin, maybe Chong Yee Khoo added my name to the list, or maybe I registered an interest at the last WOC- can t remember. I have copied to Tricia, for the web-site.

I mention that because the linkage in my mind was a vague idea of going to Singapore for WOC then on to Bangkok to collect some pre-ordered plants, and I had thought of buying some dendrobes of the kind they mass produce there .

At present I doubt if I shall go ; but it remains a possibility if faint. ( Depends on finance, what we decide to do around that time to celebrate my big 8 birthday which follows very soon afterwards assuming that we can afford to do anything , and how my wife feels about a return to Singapore she lived there and taught school way back 1950 s long before we met and every time we have been there together she complains that all the interesting, exotic, smelly and fascinating parts have been cleaned up so as to be unrecognisable, and its now like a tropical Solihull not that some in this group will recognise Solihull so lets just say up-market groomed and manicured suburbia and she would sooner go somewhere more interesting, but has gone off long flights anyway; Blackpool maybe ? )

Here are some pix of unusual Dendrobiums that were seen at the Rose Garden Orchid Show this month. I can't help you with many of the names as most of these either did not have names, in that they had not been registered, or the names were in Thai, which I do not understand. Most of these are mutations of some kind.

From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Some Pix from Thailand!
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 22:45

Thanks Geoff, they sent to me as well. Details have been on our
website for a while now, including the updated dates (if you see what
I mean!). I think they may have stopped changing things now, but I
can't be sure...

> I had some bumf about the WOC in Singapore − Nov 2011 today, from
> WOC admin, maybe Chong Yee Khoo added my name to the list, or maybe
> I registered an interest at the last WOC- can't remember. I have
> copied to Tricia, for the web-site.

From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: Oz Tony's photos.
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 22:50

Strange how we can all view things differently. I really like those
Dendrobiums, but what boring old world it would be if we all thought
the same :-)

> To be honest, I do not like the 'splash' type Dendrobiums at all.
> I think that it has taken the natural beauty away from them.

From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Oz Tony's photos.
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 03:15

As for me, I don't really care about the pots at all, it is what is in them
which is of interest.

Mind you, I can see the attractions of collecting (clay , or any other )
pots − must be miles cheaper than buying orchids !

From: Tony Watkinson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Some Pix from Thailand!
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 03:40

No, I am afraid I don't know who the exhibitors were. All in Thai.
Although I did pick up a flask of the 2494 Dendrobiums from Chao Praya
Orchids (Which is closing down) and I have seen them for sale at the
Chatachak (Chatuchak? Jatajack? Chose your own spelling) Markets.

I guess many folk would have a similar idea of going to Singapore for
the WOC then on to other exotic places in Asia. I will be taking a group
of some 30-35 orchid growers from Perth to the Singapore WOC, then Kuala
Lumpur, Vientian and Bangkok for the Rose Garden Show next year.

2628 is Rhynchostylis gigantea 'Orange'. There are quite a few different
varieties of this species due to line breeding. And the Thais have the
time and space to do that kind of thing . Very attractive too.

2557 shows one of the many vibrant orchid displays throughout the area.
Not sure who's this was. You can see the shadecloth in the trees. The
grassed area would be perfect if they had taken the time to fill in the
holes that had been left. It made tripping over much easier.

2549 & 2548 are of the same blue Vanda. It was about 5" across and quite
flat. Not to mention being really lovely. This would have been the one I
would have taken home if I could. No name of course.

And you will be pleased to know that I am no longer being shouted at.
And it is all due to the new hearing aids. But she is complaining about
the noise that the keyboard makes!!

Very interesting indeed Tony E28093 do you happen to know who
showed them ? i.e. which nursery ? Or maybe several different.

From: tony garthwaite
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Some Pix from Thailand!
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:45

Like Roger Grier, I m not too enamoured with the splash effect on the dendrobiums, but have to admire the effort hybridising to achieve that effect.

Judging by the numbers on the photos, you have many more to sort through and post over the coming days! Glad you had an enjoyable time.

Here are some pix of unusual Dendrobiums that were seen at the Rose Garden Orchid Show this month. I can't help you with many of the names as most of these either did not have names, in that they had not been registered, or the names were in Thai, which I do not understand. Most of these are mutations of some kind.

From: tony garthwaite
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Fw: snow and cold and Thailand! /Cymbidium Spikes
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:15

The cymbidiums were ...... are... in a separate aluminium framed greenhouse which I erected earlier in the year. (My tropical orchids are in a section of a wooden framed Dutch-light house. The section in that house is fully lined with twin walled polycarbonate and is heated, with a day-and-night thermostat controlling the temperature.)

The bitter cold has decimated the leaves and flower spikes which were developing on the Cymbids. The temperature dropped to minus 11C on more than one night and as there is no heating in that greenhouse, they were not protected. My own fault!

I may get the bulbs to recover in the Spring but in all honesty, I m not too bothered as they are taking up a lot of room and are not the best of cymbids.

As Geoff knows through private emails, I have purchased a large second-hand Greenhouse which should have been delivered 2 weeks ago but delivery will now be in the new year when the weather permits. As it will replace the wooden one I have at present, moving the tropical orchids to the Aluminium framed house during the construction process is the present plan, but we are now thinking of late Spring or early Summer for that job!!

We are considering putting the aforementioned Aluminium greenhouse (8x10) inside the new one and having that as the tropical house!

Sheila Bicknell wrote Re: [OrchidTalk] Fw: snow and cold and Thailand! /Cymbidium Spikes

Tony a few days ago, in relation to the snow and cold weather here in UK, you wrote:

I am just trying to follow your reasoning here, Have you lost spikes/flowers due to extreme cooling or loss of heating?

In my experience cymbidium flower spikes usually show themselves in the autumn, and are quite well advanced or even open by now, if they bloom or not this season is more governed by their growing conditions during the past spring and summer, rather than what s happening now. I have a few spikes in bloom and more coming. I have managed to keep the temperature in the greenhouse at a minimum of 8C (mega numbers on the electric meter). I will try and take a few photos to post at some point soon, but the light is not good today.

From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Some Pix from Thailand!
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:20

I have several Trichoglottis species on my wish list , and I have at last found a Phillipines species specialist nursery who visit German shows and will bring what I want and post from there .Of course there is an amazing orchid flora in The Phillipines, and I would guess that less than a couple of dozen out of their 3000 (?) species are in cultivation UK.

Germany, because they have a lot of growers, a lot of nurseries too, so a worthwhile market even for a dealer having to pay an air-fare for their staff to travel half-way round the world , but most of all because they have a sensible policy for CITES import fees , unlike UK where it costs 59 per genus. Since my Phillipines list of 20 plants, subject to seeing their price list (!) involves 12 different genera, it will be seen that importation direct into UK is a no-no. But all of them can be put on a single permit in Germany, together with the other say 10000 plants in say 100 other genera I am guessing all included in that same single fee, which I believe to be under 20, and once into Germany, they can come here without permits or fees.

Sorry, CITES and the needless, mindless , senseless destruction of the once flourishing UK orchid trade is a very sore point with me.

The Blue Vanda is surely a line bred 4n ( or more !) V.coerulea . I have seen several such at different places in Thailand, indeed one orchid farm open to tourists , but unfortunately refusing to sell any plants when I went there, had hundreds of them like this. I think that it is not a hybrid because that wonderful network of blue lines seems to disappear on the first generation of hybridising, and never comes back. Unfortunately Kultana, and T Orchids − the dealers used by the UK people who import from Thailand , don t seem to have them, or list them at least the last time I heard this discussed.

I have managed to get one of the orange Rhynco.giganteas, to add to my red ( now in early spike) and a couple of different whites that I have.

You have inspired me to upload some of the pics I have taken this month in a post later today, which if Tricia is still slaving away for us, you might get to see over Xmas.

Regards to you and all readers, all the best for Christmas , and a happy orchidaceous year in 2011.

From: Bill Haldane
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Bulbophyllum 'Elizabeth Ann' Buckleberry
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:00

Took these two pics this morning. The plant was purchased from Burnham Nurseries some years ago as a small division and now carries 14 flowering spikes.
Merry Christmas and a Prosperous New Year to all.
Regards Bill Haldane

These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google.
Try it out here: http://picasa.google.com/

From: Sheila Bicknell
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Fw: snow and cold and Thailand! /Cymbidium Spikes
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 13:50

Thank you Tony, Now I understand. Yes, 11C too big an ask for Cymbids I feel.
Have a Good Christmas, and good luck with your greenhouse project/s in 2011.
Season s Greetings to Everyone, Sheila.

From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: A batch of pics for Xmas Eve
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 14:40

The Aerides odorata ( which is in fact sweetly scented ) has three "keikis"
although I shall leave them on and try to get all up to FS at the same time
- opening the prospect of multiple spikes. Of all the Aerides I have, and
ever have had, this is a first .I only wish I knew what I did ! It is
also unusual for the species, in having an upright spike. Orchid friends in
several continents , including The Phillipines − where it may be found in
the wild, all say − never seen anything like it. But then, it is also found
wild over a great range outside The Phillipines − maybe it's a local variant
somewhere.

Ascda Tubtim Velvet − famous white Ascda. Frequent parent , and since the
flowers are 4 inches across you can see why. Regrettably the spikes grew too
near the glass on one of the cold nights we had recently, which led to some
bud blast- but I thought it worth showing. BTW It already has the next spike
visible in the next leaf axil. A vigorous orchid this ( and 27 inch
leaf-span too ! )

The cluster cattleya is a favourite, I always like flowers with some green
in them. A much better inflorescence than illustrated in Orchidwiz, btw.

The Burrageara is shown here with a close-up of the first flower to open -
taken on 12th November , and the other pic shows the plant as it looks today
24th December. Long lasting ! Somewhere in my collection I also have the
same grex but in the cultivar Burning Embers ; not out at the moment to
compare, but in my memory identical. I think some traders make up cv names
so as to kid me into buying the same plant twice. I am cynical ?

The big semi-alba Cattleya − Hausermann's Gala ; a favourite type for me.
Nice big 6-7 inch blooms.

Cattleya trianei − a species of course. Also 6-7 inch blooms, looking so
fragile, but lasting just as long as similar sized hybrids which apparently
have far more substance.

507 Cycnodes Jumbo Puff, in the cv "Water" rather a disappointment this ;
not for the flowers, they are super, nor the flower count- about 30 of the
flowers on the three spikes on one bulb , no, but because it is virtually
indistinguishable from anothert Catasetum type plant also out in my
collection now − Taiwan Gold, which I'll show in the next set.

From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A batch of pics for Xmas Eve
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 19:05

A good batch of pictures Geoff. What camera and lens do you use. How do you get your close-up shots?

When I gave up growing orchids about 4 years ago my wife started to grow Phals. on a long window ledge in the kitchem. Some are named types, but most from Sainsburys, which flower well.
I kept one small orchid , Neofinetia falcata, which was and is growing in Sphag. moss, and has a mass of roots and flowers once to twice per year.
I have noticed that someone in this country sells Neofinetia falcatas on eBay at reasonable prices. I have bought 3 named varieties. A yellow and green, dark-green and white variegated types and one with pink spurs all growing in neat NZ Phag moss. I have noticed another al over yellow colour and all over pink. Might be tempted. They are growing in my bungalow on a south facing window sill in a tray with hydrolocor (spelling?) , which is kept damp to give indoor humidity. I also have in the greenhouse quite a few Pleiones ,bulbs and bulbils. Min. temp. 3deg.C. I have the bug again?!
Merry Christmas to all and a special thought to those who have lost loved ones this year.

From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: 2nd instalment of pics − a Delight of Vandas included
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 21:50

508 Cycnoches Taiwan Gold @Orchis' As I said, very similar to Jumbo Puff
’Water' ,so much so that I suspected wrong labelling somewhere. But no, both
are true to the pictures on the Jumbo and Orchis web-sites respectively.
Quite different breeding too, apart from the fact that they both have
significant ( 25& − 33%) of similar Cycnoches species in them -
warscewiczii and chlorochilon , although it is common talk that these
species are often confused with another, and it is perhaps the same one
used in both. This plant shown here with two spikes on each of two bulbs.
Pity trhat they are not different, but both are plants worth having.

D nudum has interesting flowers but is rather sparsely flowered; as far as I
can tell it always is.

I first saw the Eria in the wild, when Peter Williams showed me a great
clump growing high in a tree I a temple compound , it had to be viewed
through binoculars, and I rely on his identification. Frankly it needs a
great clump to be worthwhile , but my plant is now up yo 3 leads, although
only one flowering this year.

The Kagara has less flowers than last year, but is already starting a second
spike, which could even be out whilst these flowers are good, so I'll not
grumble.

Keith Andrew ( remember him anyone ? ) gave me a nice piece of the
Maxillaria earlier this year and I divided it into two , one piece on a
plaque of Epiweb ( doing well0 and this piece on a raft of bark ; the pic
shows the first flower out , it had a dozen in the flowering, and has double
leads from every bulb , should soon cover the raft and be very worth while.
Flowers only 1 inch, but a cheerful colour as you see.

I'm glad to see the Paph , even if there is only one flower ; there are half
a dozen other growths, so its coming up to be a decent potful and may be
nice next year. I'm especially glad to see it , it has not flowered since I
lived in the Cotswolds , it has taken that long for the plant to suffer , to
be experimented on, and to recover. (True of all my paphs) Seeing them
flower again is like greeting old friends.

Four nice Vandas , what else can I say ? Robert Delight the biggest at 5
inch, Kasems Delight the smallest at 3 to 3 ½ inch. The others 4 inch. I
have an azing array of buds on the vandas at present, due I think to that
unintentional cold snap in , was it September ?- when I was without heat,
and we had a night or two with the greenhouse going down to 10.

From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Bulbophyllum 'Elizabeth Ann' Buckleberry
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:35

Nice plant; well flowered. Good on you. Mine never flowered in 6 years.
Peter F, Alton

From: Tony Watkinson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: More [OrchidTalk] Some Pix from Thailand!
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 02:55

2670 is a group of Paph concolor with a few hybrids by the look of it. 2766 is also a Paph concolor which I presume was the best in class (as it was benched with all the major winners) if not the best Paph in the show. They did not show which orchids were the show winners this year. Last year they has numbered the winners as 1, 2, etc, so that if was easy to understand their method.

2638 & 2639 are in a varigated class of their own. Judged not so much for their flowers as for their foliage. Thought it seems flowers were optional.

And 2430 is Rapee Sagarik, (second from the left) who is credited as the man who started the orchid industry in Thailand. He was here as an honoured guest.

All the very best for Xmas to you all and may 2011 bring you all that you could desire.

From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A batch of pics for Xmas Eve
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 09:05

Hi Peter − . I have the bug again?! I don t think there is any cure, if you have had it badly once ; I gave up for some 3 years when I had to sell my collection because I was moving to an apartment without even a window-ledge , in Munich. I was so convinced that my life had changed permanently, that I resigned from everything and gave all my books to the Orchid.Society library , but as soon as I had a scrap of garden again, a pair of 12 x 10s appeared as if by magic, one for odonts and one for paphs .

Camera ? I am using an old Nikon digital camera with an extremely old Nikon close-up lens ( micro-nikkor 60mmm f2.8) which I have had for at least 20 years I should think. Used with a 35mm slide camera which is what it was bought for, long before I had any digital camera, it will give 1:1 so that a 1 inch flower fills the frame. With digital the camera only uses the central portion to fill the frame, so maybe that means it will give 1.6 to 1, Of course working that close is difficult anyway the depth of field is zero so that the anther cap is sharp and the rest out of focus, unless you stop down to f45 or something else ridiculous, so 99% of the time that extreme close-up stuff is quite unused.

Many of my pics are taken with the camera in-built flash, although occasionally I use a separate flash gun on a wander lead, so as to get the flash to one side or above, for better modelling ; pictures in the greenhouse with natural light are now of very little use the supplementary lighting makes all the flowers appear golden, and when the lights are off, there are so many hanging plants that the background is always cluttered.

Could you kindly let me have a link or address or something for the e-bay Neofinetia man ? My common or garden example is now up to a dozen growths and 6 spikes this year after someone helped me to a realisation that it likes a lot of light, and I moved it out of the shade ; and I have a lot of its hybrids, but I would like some of the other colour forms, and have been corresponding with Dr Glenn (New World Orchids) who specialises, but it sounds as though he is giving up, and whilst he has an order from me to take with him when he goes to the Tokyo Dome show in February , I gather its now a case of if he goes rather than when he goes. So that source looks as though it will dry up .

BTW can any reader tell me why we keep hearing about very low temperatures at Pershore ? I used to live a dozen miles away from there ( at Cleeve Prior, both on the Warwickshire/Worcestershire River Avon) and , like it says, it s in a River Valley, not high or exposed, runs to the South if I remember right ( its 15 years or more since I was last there ) of Bredon Hill, and in the middle of England. True, the middle will be colder than the edges , because of the sea, but it still doesn t add up to be that extreme , or does it ? It must of course, but I don t see why .. John can you hear me ?

From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: More [OrchidTalk] Some Pix from Thailand!
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 10:00

I wonder if the Renanthera is Nancy Chandler ? Looks how I imagine that hybrid to be from the description I had ; I recently got a couple of small plants of this. ( e-bay is a good source I find ; sometimes my bid of 99pence is the winner ! ) And small parcels from Thailand creep in under the CITES radar .. I also find Renanthera very easy to grow and flower with my Vanda /cattleya conditions. Every six months or so, in fact. How I wish I could get them to branch and form clumps, but maybe that will happen when they get really big. .

From: Sheila Bicknell
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: First few Cymbidiums to bloom this season
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 14:55

Hi Everyone, As promised a few days ago, here are some pictures of a
few of my first Cymbidiums to bloom this season. Regards, Sheila

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From: Paul Johnson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: holiday greetings
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 15:40

From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A batch of pics for Xmas Eve
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 23:35

Thanks Geoff for the camera info. Go to eBay and just put Neofinetia in the search box and they will come up. Greeny-pottery is his name on eBay. A very helpful and knowledgeable person.
I think the prices for a named coloured variety is very good. Please could you mention me ,please. Would appreciate that.
I m after a Cymbidium goeringii (spelling) Any contacts?
Thanks
Peter F., Alton

From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: First few Cymbidiums to bloom this season
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 16:25

From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A batch of pics for Xmas Eve
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 16:35

There is a guy who seeks out plants if you ask him his name won t come to mind ; used to be a Rolls Royce aero-engine trouble-shooter, and travel the world at their expense, stopping off at orchid nurseries on his day off . Then took over Bob Dadd s collections etc when he died ; specialised in miniatures when he was a bit more active, lives near Weston-Super Mare .

Someone who is still 20 shillings in the pound will remember his name and tell you probably as soon as I click send I ll remember too Malcolm something ?

Ps I just looked on The Orchid Mall/Uk 21 entries there not the one I m looking for but who on earth are all these 21 ? Most of them unknown to me , and so very few of them proper orchid nurseries anyway I assume

From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A batch of pics for Xmas Eve
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 17:50

Looking for neofinetia on e-bay I did find Cym goeringii probably the entry you found − 80 ..

From: Lynda Coles
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A batch of pics for Xmas Eve
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:35

Malcom Perry, lives/ used to live at Frampton Cottrell Nr Bristol. Also used to/
maybe still does , have Malcom Perry Orchids. He grew masses of Madys.

There is a guy who seeks out plants if you ask him his name won t come to mind
; used to be a Rolls Royce aero-engine trouble-shooter, and travel the world at
their expense, stopping off at orchid nurseries on his day off . Then took over
Bob Dadd s collections etc when he died ; specialised in miniatures when he was
a bit more active, lives near Weston-Super Mare .
Someone who is still 20 shillings in the pound will remember his name and tell
you probably as soon as I click send I ll remember too Malcolm something ?

From: Lynda Coles
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A batch of pics for Xmas Eve,cym goeringii
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:40

From: N & T Burgess
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Neofinetia ebay
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:05

Geoff
I don't know if you found the link for neo’s this is the one Peter was referring to http://shop.ebay.co.uk/greeny-pottery/m.html
He packs his plants so well that they arrive in excellent condition (rather in the way you do) they are quality plants also.
Happy New Year to all
Norma

From: Bill Haldane
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re Malcolm Perry
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 12:05

He is still at Frampton Cotterell as far as I am aware and can be reached on Mobile 07802302992 or Email at hperry@westfields14.freeserve .co.uk
Regards Bill Haldane

From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Malcolm
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 12:10

Geoff, I think you mean Malcoll Perry. He stopped tradibg at shows a while ago but I believe ge still searches as does Roy Barrow;

I got out of our hamlet today for the first time in two weeks and the lanes were still iced over.

From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Neofinetia falcata
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 13:25

Norma mentioned the chap on eBay who sells Neofinetia falcata’s. They are top quality plants and packs them very well. One was in the post for 3 days before Christmas but seems OK.
I have ordered another 3 plants. ' variegated types and one with pink flowers. The prices are very good and they make good house plants. Like lots of light, and only water again when they are stone dry.
They are worth a look on eBay.

From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: and now I'm up to date sending images made lately.
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 14:25

519 Encyclia Garcia Anacheilum garcianum , sweet scented flowers a bit
less than a couple of an inches across. Nice little thing, worth growing for
the perfume.

Coelia − easy, prolific, but never sensational as it hides the flowers under
the leaves. Only a small pot − so that all the flowers are on the outside -
is worth having. (IMHO)

The Odtna ; one of the first plants meristemmed when Vacherot & LeCoufle
started using the process back in the 1970s. I have owned it several times;
it is a reliable double spiker , with up to 9 flowers per spike if well
grown. This is the first flowering on this plant since I bought it from our
Italian friends back in the Spring ; double spiking indeed , but in the end,
a 5 flowers and a 7 flowers. Better next time, perhaps.

My Paph − a piece from the ccc/rhs plant I grew, way back − I dug out the
picture to remind myself of how well it did then − 11 flowers I think. What
a fool I was to break it up, I don't think I'll make that mistake again with
a paph .

Finally , my first dendrobe ( nobile hybrid type) of the season. I think I
have got the culture of these about right, now ; it has only taken me 40
years − not that it's difficult when you know how..

I'll say again − I do love Yamamotos − can't get them − will happily buy or
swap propagations of any ( assuming I don't already have them, of course).

I even tried to do an importation − but whilst they were happy to sell to
me, their minimum quantity of any one kind was 1000. no wonder that UK
nurseries , as a rule, simply don't stock them. Of course we do get them -
via Holland, but then we find that there is ( e.g.) just one kind available
- the same kind − from every nursery. If I lived in USA I could buy retail
from them − at reasonable prices too.. For anyone who doesn't know them,
just follow this link -

Many of these are available as young plants at say six US dollars..flowering
size at 18 − if you happen to be passing Hawaii.

From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Neofinetia falcata
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:10

I too have ordered some they are my Christmas present or maybe birthday present from my wife ( she doesn t know yet joke ; actually she thought she was buying two , rather more expensive plants, from Dr Glenn, but since he hasn t yet gone to Tokyo , where he was to buy them perhaps I am in time to cancel)

From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Pleione
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:45

Of course I can't grow them , my conditions are too warm, and I have nowhere
to reliably store the bulbs when resting, except maybe the garage, which is
usually too warm ( unless its minus something outside, as it has been
lately) . I do have a cold-frame ( heated very slightly , its been down to 1
deg C, not below) , which I have been eyeing, but its full of young
delphiniums and things raised from seed, for planting out in the Spring,
which I thought a bit too small and fragile to plant out in the autumn.

But then Maren Talbot (Heritage Plants) came and gave a good talk to
Bournemouth OS , showed pics of most of the species, and she said P.maculata
grows warmer, and rests warm. She thought it would succeed in my (cattleya
house) conditions. But she was sold out anyway.

I googled, and found it all over the place at prices which raised my
eyebrows , typically £15 for what I assume is one bulb. More than I'd want
to pay !

But then I saw some for sale on e-bay , a pot of 10 bulbs. I bid up to $15 ,
for the 10 , and of course I was outbid.

But now I have had a second chance offer, to 'buy now' same thing, same 10
bulbs, fixed price $15. I jumped at it, of course. I haven't got them yet,
all this happened this evening. But since there has been some interest in
Pleiones recently, and this 'second chance ' thing being new to me, I
thought some readers here might like to know. And btw the same guy lists
quite a few other Pleiones on his web-site. I'll send details to anyone
interested, private mail.

From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: changes of names...
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 08:55

I have been having a discussion about a plant I have , of what I thought was
Colm Wildcat "Dark Star" − see pic attached. The suggestion was made that it
is Colm Masai Red "Splash" or maybe Masai Red "Masai Splash" − which is
probably right after looking closely at the lip shape on both hybrids (
Masai Red and Wildcat ) in Orchidwiz.

Before I e-mail them suggesting that they correct, can anyone tell me they
agree with my reasoning , or not , about no Odontocidiums ?

From: Roy Lee
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] changes of names...
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 14:50

Geoff, Colmanaras ( Wildcat ) have been known as Odontocidiums for sometime now but not widely explained anywhere.
Yes, Odontoglossums are going to have a name change, they will now be called
• Odontoglossum no longer used;
genus split between Cuitlauzina,
Cyrtochilum, Oncidium, Rhynchostele,
Rossioglossum
• Oncidium expanded to include most
of Odontoglossum, Sigmatostalix,
Symphyglossum, Mexicoa,
Miltonioides, Collare-stuartense

From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] changes of names...
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:50

Thanks Roy ; but this brings me round in a circle. If Odontoglossum no longer used, how can Odontocidium or odonto-anything else, be justified ? Why not then Miltonidium, since the third element in Colmanaras is miltonia ?

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Orchid names.
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:10

I agree with what Geoff has just said about the so called 're-naming' of orchids that have had these names for many, many years.

Odontoglossum. Maybe before it is/was re-named the people that decided to re-name it should learn a little bit about the 'Botanical language', which I have very much enjoyed over the past forty years or so.

So, we have Odontoglossum.......teeth on the tongue. Have a good look at the lip of an ODONTOGLOSSUM.

To finish I will again tell the story about books which are labelled, 'Botanical Latin'. Much of it is Greek.

From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] changes of names...
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:30

Geoff, Checking on Orchid Wiz I cannot find any mention of a Miltonia. What is the Miltonia that is in Col.? Wildcat? If there is a Miltonia in Col. Wildcat it must be very minimal and can be ignored.Maybe the miltonia had already been reclassified as an Oncid/Odont.
But Geoff, you nust allow these taxidermists (they stuff ys) earning money as it must help the economy as otherwise they would be on the dole. (Is that still accepted or is it not P.C.)
ALL HAVE A GOOD NEW YEAR.
Regards

From: Roy Lee
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] changes of names...
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 13:45

Geoff, I'm just as confused. I suppose it means that EVERY hybrid will have to be renamed like the Cattleya family.
I really think the people making these changes should retire urgently or be taken out & shot !!!

From: Geoff Hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] changes of names...
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:40

Colmanara Edina for example; is about 60 % Milt vexillaria ( which nowadays we would call Miltoniopsis) and smaller parts of Milt roezlii, Odont.nobile, Onc fuscatum. registered by Charelesworth in 1930.

Oddly enough, the one which started me off on all this Colmanara chase which I had bought under the name Colmanara Wildcat Dark Star and which turned out to be Colmanara Masai Red cv Splash was registered as unknown x unknown . So goodness knows whether it really is a Colmanara, or an Odontocidium.

But I say again, if Odontocidium Wildcat is bred from Onc leuchochilum and Onc fuscatum, together with a whole series of odontoglossums crispum, harryanum, mobile, luteopurpureum, hallii etc all of which are now oncidiums, why is it not now Oncidium Wildcat ?

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Names.
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:00

Geoff, I'm just as confused. I suppose it means that EVERY hybrid will have to be renamed like the Cattleya family.

I really think the people making these changes should retire urgently or be taken out & shot !!!

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