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From: Bill Haldane
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Ida linguella
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:55

Dear All,
Please find attached a photo of my Ida linguella for your enjoyment. Please also enjoy the name Ida as I see in the current American O.S. 'Lindleyana' it should in future be known as Sudamerlycaste.
Merry Christmas to all!
Regards Bill Haldane

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From: ema.orquideas Perú
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Merry Chritsmas − Telipogon phalaenopsis
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:35

I wish all of you a Merry Christmas, and a fantastic orchid growing next year.
Erica
Lima- Perú

From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Merry Christmas
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 06:50

Paphiopedilum concolor
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/rockhop/IMG_8536b.jpg

Brassavola Little Stars
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/rockhop/IMG_8503b.jpg

Ionopsis utricularioides
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/rockhop/IMG_8531b.jpg

Cattleytonai Why Not
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/rockhop/IMG_8508b.jpg

From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Ida linguella
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:15

Bill, Sudamerlycaste!!!. Where did this spring from? Is this the Kew Lindleyana or some ertsatz American upstart.
Regards from a brilliant but cold Devon. − not as cold as North America

From: Bill Haldane
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Ida linguella
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:25

Hi Dennis!
Sudamerlycaste, as stated by 'Lindleyana' (the scientific publication of the American Orchid Society) in this month's edition, was published invalidly by Archila in 'Revista Guatemalensis' in November 2002. These deficiences were corrected in the edition in December 2002. Ryan and Oakeley did not publish 'Ida' in The Orchid Review until January 2003.
Where does this leave us? I must say I had never heard of Suderamerlycaste (nor Archila for that matter) until now.A great deal of effort has been expended making the orchid world aware of Ida.I suppose we must await a proper response to the claims made for the name Sudamerlycaste.
Happy Christmas to all!
Regards Bill

From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Ida linguella
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:15

Apologies. I wrote before putting my brain in gear.
I now see that the Kew Lindleyana is now run by the AOS and is entirely orchids but it opens the question ' Who names orchids'? Is it Kewensis, Lindleyana or RHS Orchid Register? Can anyone enlighten.
Regards

From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Ida linguella
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:45

I looked to see what Orchidwiz call it- they usually offer all known
possibilities and put a different symbol against each ; after all, these are
merely the names proposed by some taxonomist, not actually graved in stone
and brought down the mountain by Moses....

The Orchid Encyclopaedia − dear old Jay Pfhal , has it listed under Ida,
with Lycaste and Sudamerlycaste as synonyms − all his quoted references (W3
Tropicos, Kew Monocot, Fowlie, Icones Planatarum, Oakley (2008) have it as
Lycaste and Ida , nary a mention of Sudamerlycaste which seems to come from
Archila 2002 − of whom I have never heard. But then he's never heard of me
either I expect.

> Please find attached a photo of my Ida linguella for your enjoyment. Please
> also enjoy the name Ida as I see in the current American O.S. 'Lindleyana'
> it should in future be known as Sudamerlycaste.

From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Merry Christmas
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:00

What are you growing the sophro on Esther ?
The dendrobium is sweet ; I suppose the flowers are quite small ?
The ionopsis is only a name to me − looks very free flowering ! Is this all
from one growth ?

From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: a new (?) anti-slug measure
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:40

On a visit to an RHS garden over Xmas I saw some new slug pellets − with
the rather silly name ( from a Trade Mark point of view) "Advanced Slug
Killer".

The point is that instead of the usual metaldehyde poison formulation, these
are made of − or include − ferric phosphate.

According to the label, they are just as attractive to slugs and snails as
the usual ones, but "do not pose a risk to children or to pets" and
moreover, when wet, they continue to work − "on moist ground or in humid
conditions the pellets swell. The granules do not decay after a few swelling
processes. Slugs prefer moist and soaked granules"

What's good enough for the RHS to use in their display and demonstration
gardens, must be good enough for me ! So I bought a container of them to
give a try − my strawberries will be the first recipients I think.

If you read this Dennis, and are interested , I bought this at Rosemoor
yesterday.

From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Merry Christmas
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:25

The Sophronitis is growing on a tree fern slab. I've had this plant for a number of years and it has tripled in size − a very rewarding plant as it flowers frequently. The Dendrobium flowers are about 5mm. Ionopsis is a single plant bearing 2 spikes. Both are recent purchases :)

> Nice pics, and some interesting orchids here.
>
> What are you growing the sophro on Esther ?
> The dendrobium is sweet ; I suppose the flowers are quite small ?
> The ionopsis is only a name to me − looks very free flowering ! Is this all
> from one growth ?

From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] a new (?) anti-slug measure
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:15

Geoff, I only live a 10 minute drive from Rosemoor and am a egular visitor. It is what I call a 'gardener friendly' garden. I am sure that when it was given to the RHS gardeners and not managers laid it out. Next time come and have a cup of tea.
Regards

On Mon, 28/12/09, geoff hands wrote re: [OrchidTalk] a new (?) anti-slug measure

> On a visit to an RHS garden over Xmas I saw some new slug pellets
> − with the rather silly name ( from a Trade Mark point of view)
> Advanced Slug Killer .

> The point is that instead of the usual metaldehyde poison
> formulation, these are made of − or include − ferric phosphate.

> According to the label, they are just as attractive to slugs and
> snails as the usual ones, but do not pose a risk to children or to
> pets and moreover, when wet, they continue to work on moist
> ground or in humid conditions the pellets swell. The granules do
> not decay after a few swelling processes. Slugs prefer moist and
> soaked granules

> What s good enough for the RHS to use in their display and
> demonstration gardens, must be good enough for me ! So I bought a
> container of them to give a try my strawberries will be the first
> recipients I think.

> If you read this Dennis, and are interested , I bought this at
> Rosemoor yesterday.

From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Strange thing on phally leaves − a new pest, or what ?
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:45

The plant is a species Phal − P.bastianii ( a link below would take you to
the orchid species encyclopaedia page with the picture). It came from
Nardotto .

Today when watering I spotted what at first sight was dust or fibres − the
sort you get from dried sphagnum moss before you re-wet it − on one leaf.
But they wouldn't wipe off.

The plant is one of a hundred or more phals all together , and is the only
one showing this − I have never seen anything like it before. I don't think
it can have been like this long , I overhaul my plants usually every week,
but it could be two weeks since I last handled this plant , and nothing
struck me then.

You will note the faint brown edge to the leaf too , as well as the large
areas of brown. All of the leaves have a definite edge of a slightly
different colour , but all of the other leaves are all green and its merely
a different green − darker.

Also, many of the little hieroglyphic marks are associated with a slight
bump or raised area.

The underside of the leaf shows smaller areas of dark brown − and here it
looks like a rot − something which has destroyed the cells inside the leaf
leaving the outer layer of cells intact, even if now dead − whereas on the
upper side, the brown areas don't look dead. Maybe the rot − if that is what
it is has destroyed all but a single layer of cells on the underside, but
has left a few more layers on the upper side.

What should I do ( the plant is of course isolated − quarantined in front of
my computer). Cut it off ? Wait and see ? What is it anyway ?

From: David Martin
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Strange thing on phally leaves − a new pest, or what ?
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:25

> What should I do ( the plant is of course isolated − quarantined in
> front of my computer). Cut it off ? Wait and see ? What is it
> anyway ?

I had something similar to the pitting on the small top leaf, became brown and necrotic after a while. I got it on a few plants at one end of the greenhouse so assumed it was being blown around in the air currents.

I took a couple to Lawrence Hobbs when he had an open day, but he had never seen anything like it before. I then informed him that he had two in his greenhouse exactly the same as mine.

Anyway to cut a long story short a visitor to his greenhouse told him it was False spider mite.

I have been spraying weekly with SB Plant Invigorator as recommended by Lawrence and all the necrotic pitting has dried up and the new leaves are perfect

From: Tony Watkinson
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Strange thing on phally leaves − a new pest, or what ?
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:40

Sorry to hear about your phal bastiani. I think you will find that this is a virus!! I have had similar problems myself and only solved them by dumping the effected plants in the bin. And that hurt.

Sorry to be the bearer of sad tidings for the new year, but facts are facts and you are better off biting the bullet and get over it.

All the best for 2010 to all the Orchid Talkers and thanks for all the entertainment.

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