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From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Cattleya in stones.
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:15

I am well pleased with what you have told me. Well done, I know you are pleased.

From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Epi. Stamfordianum.
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:55

> This is a very strongly coloured form, Roger. I wonder if it is v.
> roseum ? I have that , but only very recently acquired and not yet
> established.
>
> To see the plant in the wild , go to
> http://www.orchidspecies.com/orphotdir/epidestamfordianum.jpg

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Epi. Stamfordianum.
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:50

I did wonder about the colour form of my plant, but after I did have a look on the Internet, I am not too sure what the 'normal' colour should be.

However, going on from my request to see as many images of orchids growing naturally, there were a couple of great shots showing our plant growing on a large tree, and, ALL OF THE SPIKES WERE PENDANT. Of course this does make sense, and gives us growers some food for thought.

From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: My latest pics...
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:15

I am not sure whether I showed 90 last time − lovely white, perfumed,
cattleya. However I got the name wrong − it's a Bob Betts cross , not Bow
Bells cross − the second picture with this corrected also shows the last to
open of the flowers. I have just taken the plant back to the greenhouse as
the flowers are starting to fade , but they lasted a good three weeks in the
house here.

Researching Cattleya skinneri varieties, it has come to my attention that
they too ( like C aurantiaca) are now not cattleyas, but Guarinthes. I see
that C. Amethystoglossa is likelwise moved. Maybe all the bifoliate catts
are now Guarinthe ? Albescens is a very pale pink colour all over ;
"Hewlett" is/was a famous cattleya etc collection in New Jersey I think − so
this variety came from there. This is of course a meristem propagated plant
, shown here with its first flowering of just one flower − notably larger
than the other skinneris I know.

"Casa Luna" is a good form of the normal colour ; again flowering on a
smallish (meristem) plant − can do much better than this when grown larger,
I'm sure. I also have Hetty Jacobs − want some more varieties.....

Ascda Yeo Beck Bee seen here with 26 flowers − the largest almost 7cm. A
fantastic solid dark purple − but seen here with the sun shining through (
trying to be artistic...). Maybe the best flower count I have achieved yet
with Ascdas.

The epi Ballerina is a nice thing. My plant had 5 flowering stems − two
still in buds not opened − note the past tense − carrying it I slipped and
dropped it, and then there were 3....

Leptotes bicor ( not as the file name says ) . a nice little species, this ;
I must look out for its sister L.unicolor − which I suppose is all white.

The two Robiquetias seen here. The red one I showed last year with a spike
some two inches long as I remember it ; this year more than 4 , almost 5
inches long. If it holds its flowers I will show it again when all out. The
yellow/orange one ( spathulata , a first flowering − shorter spike.

Aerides quinquevulnerum is supposedly named for the five pink patches , and
is a reference to "the five wounds of Christ". The only problem with this
story is that I can see six pink patches.... Much smaller flowers than
A.lawrenceanum, but apparently just as free flowering. Mine is a first
flowering of a seedling I have grown on from flask , and there are two
spikes − both like the one shown.

Bulbo graveolens similar in habit and flower shape to B.lobbii , but much
stronger flower colouring and marking.

Panoisea albiflora, nice olittle miniature − I include a snap of the 5 inch
pan to show all the spikes ( well, 5 out of the seven, perhaps).

Cattleya mariae − it used to be . Now encyclia (?) yellow daffodil like
flowers on an upside-down plant. I show it to show that I can grow it ( I
have grown the last bulbs seen ). But how to get it to flower ? Stop
watering ? Dry out ? More sun ? Just keep on watering and wait ? What ? Any
advice ?

From: Lynda Coles
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] My latest pics...
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:45

I think your daffodil orchid goes by the name of encyclia citrina now......can't help with how to get it to flower though. I hope to have that problem in a few years when my ones in flask are ready to flower so if any one knows, I should be interested also. IOSPE has an entry for it using the name encyclia citrina, a few culture notes there may be of help.

From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] My latest pics...
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:50

Seems I had a bad thumb day yesterday when I sent the message with the pics
; name corrections ( and apologies)...

From: sheila bicknell
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] My latest pics...
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:35

Geoff − I have a small mounted plant of Leptotes unicolour, which is pale pink, and rather more compact in growth habit.
I'm pretty sure I got it from Ray Creek at a Wessex meeting a couple of years ago. Also I saw several nice plants on one stand at the London OS (cant tell you who it was)
Regards, Sheila

From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Free orchid plants, and orchid plants for sale...
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:20

The free ones − I am dividing up a huge Coelogyne cristata. I'll send you 3
or 4 pieces, each of 3,4 or 5 bulbs with new shoots, ready to root and grow,
if you send me a padded bag, Jiffy bag or what-have you − A4 size. The
plants will weigh approx 250gm. Add on the weight of the bag and ask the
price at the Post Office, or calculate on the Royal Mail web-site to get the
value of the stamp you need to put on the bag. .. Limited to perhaps the
first 10 applicants I guess .... ( I did say huge ! )

Likewise Coelogyne Unchained Melody ; but I guess I'll sell these − e-mail
me privately for price ( they are too good to give away , but you won't buy
them this cheap elsewhere, I'll guarantee ! )

And Bulbo eberhardtii ( super cartwheels of pink flowers − the mature plant
is now in early bud ; these props may flower next year if you treat them
right) − two or three pieces like the Coleogyne above, but now rooting in 5
inch pans.

And lastly Bulbo Elizabeth Ann "Bucklebury" FCC/RHS − one of the very few (
maybe the only one ? ) Bulbophyllum ever thought good enough for the RHS
highest honour − same sort of plants as the other Bulbo above.

From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: oops... another bloomer...
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:15

Sorry − I said it was Encyclia mariae, but in fact it is E.citrina. My
excuse is that they are very closely related.

I looked them up in "The genus Encyclia in Mexico" − (Dressler and Pollard,
1974) and they say that citrina "tends to grow downwards". They also imply
that a cool dry rest is the thing for flowering. Mine certainly did not have
that in recent months ; I think I'll carry on growing it on, and think again
about a rest towards the end of this year.

From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Leptotes unicolor
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:00

Geoff, I bought a seedling from Burnhams last year and it flowered just prior to christmas,
Worth a try. Regards

From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] My latest pics...
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:30

Geof, Face up to it!. You have just joined the exclusive club where it takes time for the brain, hand and eye to get syncronised. Welcome to the W. A.( Wrinkles Association)
Regards

> Seems I had a bad thumb day yesterday when I sent the message with
> the pics ; name corrections ( and apologies)...

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Green-veined orchids, plus two.
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:20

Early Purple orchids........just three plants where last year there were many. Most had been eaten by either rabbits, ponies, or deer.

But the good news is that I did manage to get a few good shots of the Green-veined orchid, plus two other of our native orchids.

The Green-veined as you can see comes in many colour varieties. I hope to visit another site in the next week or so where I expect to see an even greater colour display.

What was nice to see was the leaf rosette of the Autumn Ladies Tresses, and the nice young plant of the Common Spotted orchid. Now this is not so 'common' on the heaths of the New Forest as it normally tends to like chalk or alkaline soil, whereas the New Forest is mainly acid type soil. Saw a lot of young plants of the Heath Spotted orchid.

So, how do you tell one from 'tother when they are still this young. Easy, just look at the lower leaves of the Common Spotted. Both of them are much wider than all of the other leaves. Both of them have a rounded end. All the other leaves have a pointed end.

So all in all, apart from the damned wind, a good afternoon was had by all. Five species of orchid in just a small area.

From: John J. Rupp
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Id and flower question
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:35

I have attached two pics of the same plant that I obtained last year as
a lost tag and out of bloom, so I had no idea what to expect. When the
first flower opened, I was most excited. It is a nice heavy substance
flower and a bit over 3.5 inches wide. When the other 5 flowers opened,
they did not fully separate the lower two sepals, so they are held
together and in close at the bottom. Any ideas why this happens and
what is to be expected in the future?

As mentioned, I do not know the identity of this plant. I assume it is
some kind of oncidium hybrid. I would appreciate any suggestions to its
identification.

Thanks and have a good day. Sunny and 75 F in northern NY state.
Warmest of the year − 30 F last night. There is hope !

From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Green-veined orchids, plus two.
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:10

I will be visiting Dublin in 2 weeks' time. Do you know if there is a local orchid or botany society that I can contact to see if I can join in their field trips?

From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Green-veined orchids, plus two.
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:00

> I will be visiting Dublin in 2 weeks' time. Do you know if there is
> a local orchid or botany society that I can contact to see if I can
> join in their field trips?

You could try the Irish Orchid Society
although their website hasn't been updated since 2008, which could
mean they are not active. The meeting place is listed as the National
Botanic Gardens of Ireland, Glasnevin, Dublin
who may also be able to help you.

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Green-veined orchids, plus two.
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:10

> I will be visiting Dublin in 2 weeks' time. Do you know if there is
> a local orchid or botany society that I can contact to see if I can
> join in their field trips?

From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Id and flower question
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:25

I can't put a name to it ; but as to the flowers, and the non-separation − I
often see this, and in many genera − of course it happens in paphs
virtually 100% of the time, and the ones with two sepals there are the odd
ones out. So maybe it is a natural thing in the orchidacea .

> I have attached two pics of the same plant that I obtained last year as a
> lost tag and out of bloom, so I had no idea what to expect. When the first
> flower opened, I was most excited. It is a nice heavy substance flower and
> a bit over 3.5 inches wide. When the other 5 flowers opened, they did not
> fully separate the lower two sepals, so they are held together and in close
> at the bottom. Any ideas why this happens and what is to be expected in the
> future?

From: gavin horne
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: A few of my own from the current year
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:25

Hello all, as i have not contributed for a while i thought i better show you all im still around and taking notice of orchid talk.All the attached piccys are from flowerings this year and all grown under lights, i hope you will enjoy them! Happy growing

From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A few of my own from the current year
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:15

A very good colour form of Berenice, although perhaps the lighting is a
little flattering (?) − I don't see any shadows, so no flash . Is the
lighting sodium − or one of the newer "balanced spectrum" bulbs with
supposedly a lot of blue end light but which nevertheless look a golden
colour ?

> Hello all, as i have not contributed for a while i thought i better show you
> all im still around and taking notice of orchid talk.All the attached piccys
> are from flowerings this year and all grown under lights, i hope you will
> enjoy them! Happy growing

From: Andy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Id and flower question
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:15

I have occasionally had this sepal fusion happen − especially on these
complex multigenerics. However I think it is just due to some environmental
variation at a sensitive development stage and is unlikely to be repeated
next flowering.

> Hi all,
>
> I have attached two pics of the same plant that I obtained last year as
> a lost tag and out of bloom, so I had no idea what to expect. When the
> first flower opened, I was most excited. It is a nice heavy substance
> flower and a bit over 3.5 inches wide. When the other 5 flowers opened,
> they did not fully separate the lower two sepals, so they are held
> together and in close at the bottom. Any ideas why this happens and
> what is to be expected in the future?

From: Andy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A few of my own from the current year
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:15

I like the Trisetella − are the flowers short lived? Nice Renanthera too − how big is the plant?

> Hello all, as i have not contributed for a while i thought i better
> show you all im still around and taking notice of orchid talk.All
> the attached piccys are from flowerings this year and all grown
> under lights, i hope you will enjoy them! Happy growing

From: gavin horne
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A few of my own from the current year
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:35

I took the photo of berenice under natural light in a south west facing room in the afternoon, trying to take photos under grow lights distorts the colour to much.If you wish to know which type of lights i grow this plant under:- i use a sun master during the winter months and a sodium grolux the rest of the year.Gavin

geoff.hands wrote RE: [OrchidTalk] A few of my own from the current year
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:19:52 +0100

> A very good colour form of Berenice, although perhaps the lighting
> is a little flattering (?) , I don't see any shadows, so no flash .
> Is the lighting sodium , or one of the newer 'balanced spectrum'
> bulbs with supposedly a lot of blue end light but which
> nevertheless look a golden colour ?

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: John's plant.
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:15

I tend to agree with what Andy has said, reference the two lower sepals being joined. It has happened to some of my plants, so it is not a rare item.

As to the name of your plant.....well, there are so many hybrids these days that it is becoming difficult to hit the right button.

Phalaenopsis braceana − I showed this a few weeks ago when partially open.
It is now at it's best with all 5 flowers open.

Baptistonia echinata. Don't know why it should be called the hedgehog
orchid − to me it is a swarm of bees. It always does well for me though it
has always seemed awkward in a pot. Last year I put it on this mount and
now I think not only is it just right but it is the best it has been so far.
Not easy to photograph though.

Masdevallia asterotricha. Huge flowers for the size of plant on this
miniature. It flowers on-and-off − so far never more than a few at a time
though it is still ayoung plant. The pinkish "shading" is caused by hairs
which have red star-shaped structures at the end − hence asterotricha.

Lepanthopsis astrophora Stalky − Not everyone's cup of tea but a tiny beauty
in my book − definitely one for the hand lens. Lots of flowers too as you
can see from the number of flower stalks. I must read my camera manual one
of these days!

From: Dennis Read
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Id and flower question
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:25

Many years ago a Phal. grower, I think from Wessex OS accidentaly and unknowingly spilt a bottle of Super Thrive into his watering system. All his Orchids were fused. Have you been OD ing on growth enhancers?
Regards

From: Andy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: where to source
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:25

Does anyone have Pleurothallis pterophora, P amparoana or P alvaroi or know
of a source?

From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A few of my own from the current year
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:10

I am glad that you commented Andy − it led me to think "renanthera, what
renanthera..? ." and then I realise that in the latest version of Outlook
used by my e-mailer, I am only shown the top of a list of images, and I have
to scroll down it to see them all ; I had missed it first time round.

Its a nice thing this yellow Renanthera ; interesting that Gavin grows it
under lights − general opinion is that renantheras need more light than the
average UK orchid grower can provide ( although personally I find them easy
- I assume because I use little shade , and hang up the Renantheras with the
Vandas − to provide shade for the plants below them). I shall look out for
R. Citrina − but as to how big it is − my understanding is that in the wild,
Ren's grow into big scrambly masses − rather like brambles in UK − but most
of the six or so species ( and a couple of hybrids) I have are quite small -
much smaller than strap-leaved Vandas for example.

> I like the Trisetella − are the flowers short lived? Nice Renanthera too -
> how big is the plant?

From: gavin horne
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A few of my own from the current year
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:05

Hi Andy, the trisetella flowers last about 1 week, but the plant has been flowering for around 2 months so far. The renanthera is about 10 inches tall so it is reaonably juvenille, this plant has a beautiful flower and what is most unusual is; for a beautiful flower in my experience is it has so far been flowering for around 2 months. Can anyone tell me how long they normally flower for? happy growing, Gavin

From: John J. Rupp
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Id and flower question
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:25

Thanks for the comment Dennis, but no ODing on anything. I have heard so
much about Super Thrive and often thought about getting some, but never
got around to it. I don't think my mental powers are strong enough,
yet, to affect the plants.
John R

From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] A few of my own from the current year
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:30

Most of my Renantheras last 6-8 weeks. I have had R.monachica out since very
early March − meaning the first few flowers were open then − but they are
still on the spike and looking good , although in the meantime a branch has
developed and the main flower stem has lengthened considerably, so now 15 or
so flowers − on a first flowering in this case, and the plant only six
inches high and 3 or 4 pairs of leaves.

From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Photos
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:30

Nice plants . The pink pleurothallid is new to me , but then there must be a
few thousand pleuro's I have never seen !

Your Baptisia looks happier than mine ( in a pot) I think its time to try it
on a plaque.

From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Photos and cork bark
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:15

It is clear that some plants do miles better when mounted on a
plaque, usually cork bark − BUT, where do you obtain your mounts? I
have a few small bits of cork bark but have found nothing of any size
and quality for sale recently.

From: Andy
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Photos and cork bark
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:25

I get cork from Plantsplus. Roger does very large bits at reasonable prices.
Here's the address

However the Baptistonia in my pic is growing on a piece of hawthorn. When I
renovated a very ancient hedge last year I tried all sorts of stuff as
substrates for orchids. I have plants very happily growing on elder,
apple, pine, ash and oak as well. So far only a thick chunk of ivy proved
unsuitable − you could see the root tips complaining. Uncharitable I
thought for a climber!

From: geoff hands
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Photos and cork bark − and hedgehog orchids ?
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:05

Where to obtain (bark) mounts ; try an aquarium supplier − aquarists use it
for ornament − under water (?). I had no problem after I learnt that.

I had been advised to try looking for logs in the forest ( since it is known
that I live on the edge of the New Forest ) , but that doesn't work very
well ; suitable logs/branches/what have you are either infested with
beetles, or other creepy-crawlies, or half rotten, or the bark comes off
when they are dried out , or too big, or too small.....- apart from the
problems of going logging in the forest without being chased by the
rangers....

Another possibility is tree fern slabs − I found those on an aquarists
supply web-site and have a couple in use ( pieces almost a foot square) for
wandering large space things − Tolumnias, Brassavolas, etc...

Ps − I have never heard Baptisia called the hedgehog orchid − but often
heard it called the bee orchid !

From: Esther Koh
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] wild orchids in Ireland
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:10

Thanks for your help. I sent an email to the Irish Orchid Society, but I've not received a reply.

I've decided to walk the Wicklow Way, starting in Clonegal and ending either in Roundwood or Marlay Park, depending on how the accommodation arrangements turn out. Hopefully, I'll see some orchids along the way.

From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Photos and cork bark − and hedgehog orchids ?
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:50

On 28 Apr, geoff hands wrote:
> Where to obtain (bark) mounts ; try an aquarium supplier -
> aquarists use it for ornament − under water (?). I had no problem
> after I learnt that.

Aha − I hadn't thought of that, but we have only recently set up an
aquarium so I'm still learning...

> I had been advised to try looking for logs in the forest ( since it
> is known that I live on the edge of the New Forest ) , but that
> doesn't work very well ; suitable logs/branches/what have you are
> either infested with beetles, or other creepy-crawlies, or half
> rotten, or the bark comes off when they are dried out , or too big,
> or too small.....- apart from the problems of going logging in the
> forest without being chased by the rangers....

> Another possibility is tree fern slabs − I found those on an
> aquarists supply web-site and have a couple in use ( pieces almost
> a foot square) for wandering large space things − Tolumnias,
> Brassavolas, etc...

From: Tricia Garner
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] Photos and cork bark
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:05

On 28 Apr, Andy wrote:
> I get cork from Plantsplus. Roger does very large bits at
> reasonable prices.

I have bought some from Roger and it is, as you say, very reasonable.
However, I've not been successful with the bits I bought. I have a
plant which had outgrown its rather small piece of cork and fixed the
whole shebang onto a larger piece but the roots are avoiding the
'new' bark as if it was poison. Maybe that plant is especially picky,
of course.

> However the Baptistonia in my pic is growing on a piece of
> hawthorn. When I renovated a very ancient hedge last year I tried
> all sorts of stuff as substrates for orchids. I have plants very
> happily growing on elder, apple, pine, ash and oak as well. So
> far only a thick chunk of ivy proved unsuitable − you could see
> the root tips complaining. Uncharitable I thought for a climber!

As above, there seems no set rule on what orchids will like. I have
two Rodriguezias, one of which came attached to a long strip of
prepared pine and one I have tied to a branch pruned from either
viburnum or cotoneaster (can't remember which) and both are growing
well.

From: Roger Grier
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Fw: Message from wild flower site
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:20

I really do hope that the information that Jenny has come up with will help you to see the Wild Orchids that are in the area that you will be visiting.

Sorry about the delay in replying but I inadvertently deleted most of my emails..... yours survived but I forgot until now that I hadn't replied to it!

I'm the SW side of Ireland but I've included a few links that might be of help to websites and possible field trips in the Dublin area:

The website below is by the authors of 'Irelands Wild Orchids' and I was told that Brendan is planning to lead orchid identification field trips on Bull Island (near Dublin) in May.
Contact details are on the website here:
http://www.orchidireland.ie/contact.html

The Dublin Naturalists Field Club might have field trips planned or suggest a botanist who could help:
http://www.dnfc.net/

The Irish Orchid society sometimes organises field trips:
http://www.irishorchidsociety.org/home.htm

The OrchidIreland project would be interested in records of species seen during your trip, if you email Damian McFerran he'll be able to give you more details:
http://www.habitas.org.uk/orchidireland/

Roger Grier has sent you this message. Here is the message he/she sent:
Hello Jenny,

A friend of mine is coming to Dublin in the next few weeks, and she wants to know how she can get to see some Wild orchids, or get someone to help her. I myself have been enjoying studying the Wild Orchids of my area, [New Forest Hampshire and south of England] for many years. If you ever need any help or whatever, then if I can help just give me a shout.

From: Peter Fowler
To: Orchid Talk List
Subject: Re: [OrchidTalk] where to source
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 13:00

P. Pterophora. Used to have this one. Bought it from Burnham's. Don't know about the other 2 sp.
Good luck.
Peter Fowler

> Does anyone have Pleurothallis pterophora, P amparoana or P alvaroi or know
> of a source?

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